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Article by Sheela Lambert
Who's your Daddy!

The late Fritz Klein talks about his novel "Life, Sex, and the Pursuit of Happiness", inventing the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid and how he started the Bisexual Forum in his apartment in 1974.

Fritz Klein passed away on May 24, 2006. This is the last interview he gave, just before he learned he was ill. The interview was conducted over dinner and email in March and April of 2006. I knew Fritz personally since 1993 when I organized some speaking engagements for him as part of the Bisexual Speakers Bureau in New York City. Fritz was one of the happiest and most joyful people I have ever known. He was a pillar of the bi community for over 30 years, since 1974. The bi community and myself personally will miss him deeply.

Q. You've published several books but this is your first novel...when did you decide you wanted to try your hand at fiction?

A. Many years ago -- I began it in the '80's. It took three years to finish and then I tried to get it published. Seven publishers declined it so I put it in a drawer -- very typical things for writers to do. About five years ago, I went back to it and for two years --not full time-- I edited it and tightened it to make it better. I had help from an editor friend in New York. After I finished editing it, I presented it to Haworth Press for whom I am editor of the Journal of Bisexuality. After a year of back and forth negotiations with an editor of theirs they accepted it.

Q. What was your writing schedule like? Were you disciplined about it or just spontaneous?

A. I was quite disciplined: two to three hours every morning I would sit at the computer and write.

Q. One of your two main characters, Paul, becomes a psychiatrist but is also an accomplished actor. Have you ever dabbled in acting? Was there someone who inspired a character with two very different but simultaneous professions?

A. I dabbled in acting in a small way. In 1963 I played two small roles in Lysistrata in Sydney Australia. I also took a class in improvisation. I never considered myself an actor. There was no one I have known personally who I based this character on with two professions but I have always thought that the two careers are very complementary and help each other.

Q. Your other main character comes to see Paul, the psychiatrist, because he is bothered by his constant erections and is continually seeking sex several times a day...basically he is a sex-addict. You named this character "Randy." Was that a little "author's joke?"

A. Yes - I wanted to get a smile from the reader that his name fits him both for better or worse.

Q. One of your main characters has trouble getting it up and the other can't keep it down! It's an interesting contrast for a novel. How did you come up with that idea?

A. I liked the idea that the therapist learns from the patient, also, not only the patient learning from the therapist. Paul, learns from Randy how to be more sexual while Randy learns from Paul, his therapist, how not to make everything about sex...that there are other ways to relieve anxiety.

Q. You wrote the chapters on Paul in the third person but in chapters about Randy you switch to the first. Most novels are written in one or the other but not both...what prompted that choice?

A. I wanted to differentiate between the two main characters, especially as they are both men and because I skip back and forth from one to another. I did it to help the reader differentiate who we are talking about.

Q. The character, Paul, speaks several languages. You've done a lot of traveling; do you speak other languages as well?

A. Yes, I speak German fluently, a little Yiddish, very little Italian.

Q. What made you want to set part of the book in Switzerland? From the book, you seem quite familiar with Swiss culture, especially the food, as well as the landscape. How much time have you spent there and how have you acquired that level of familiarity?

A. I lived in Bern, Switzerland for 6 years studying medicine. Psychiatry was actually my second career. I already had an MBA but realized I didn't want to continue on that path. When I came to that decision I had passed the deadline to apply for medical schools in the USA here so I applied to Bern and got in.

Q. What language did they teach in at your Swiss med school?

A. In German - not the Swiss dialect but what they called "High German".

Q. Did you know the language already? How did you learn it? How did you have the chutzpah to apply to a medical school that didn't teach in your own language?

A. I was born in Vienna so until the age of six I spoke German. When the family moved to New York I only spoke English but felt comfortable in learning the language once again. I spent some months in Hamburg to study the language so when I began medical school I had a basis of German. I kept studying it diligently especially the first year there.

In addition, many of the textbooks were in English which helped a lot.

Q. In the book, Paul attends a Passover seder at his mentor Carl's apartment that includes Easter egg decorations. My family celebrated Hannukah and Christmas--at least the secular part of Christmas: a tree, Santa Claus and presents. Where did your family fall on the jewish continuum when it came to observances? Would they have made those kind of combinations or considered them blasphemous?

A. They were Orthodox Jewish so, of course, they would not do or think of such a thing.

Q. Randy committed one of the worst crimes in a jewish family...he marries a shikse! (yiddish term for non-jew.) Can you say shikse for a guy or only a woman? Is there a comparable term for a guy?

A. A gentile man is called, "goy" and a gentile woman, "shikse."

Q. His mother threatens to sit Shiva for him-the ultimate threat in a jewish family. Can you explain sitting Shiva?

A. The Orthodox way for ritual grieving in the Jewish religion is to sit "Shiva" for seven days where mirrors are covered; one tears the clothing you wear, usually in the lapel; no music or shows, etc. and you sit at home--usually the parent's home, if possible, if a parent has died. If they do it while you are still alive it's like saying "you are dead to me."

Q. As a bisexual person, did you ever worry about this kind of threat?

A. No, I personally never worried about it in my family that they would do that to me though the threat is always there in the background.

Q. Paul, the psychiatrist character, has two children. Was there ever a time that you wanted to have children? Do you regret not having them?

A. Yes, when I was younger I did think I would like some children. There were two different relationships with women where we were discussing it, however, those relationships broke up before we got to that stage. But I don't have any regrets that I never had them.

Q. Paul does his dissertation on impotence. What was yours on?

A. In Switzerland, there is no dissertation per se. However, my major emphasis in medical school was sex therapy which included the new, at that time, method of Behavior Modification.

Q. This sounds interesting...what was this new method and how does it work? What conditions or problems does it treat? Is it still considered the premiere method? Or have others supplanted it?

A. Behavior Modification are methods that therapists use to sensitize patients to new ways of acting. It is mostly used for phobias at the present time. Neuro-Linguistic-Programming has supplanted it as the main method for helping people change their behavior in a short period of time.

Q. Part of the story was set in New York City. I'm a New York City girl so I enjoyed all the references to familiar places like Central Park and the Metropolitan Museum. But my favorite reference was a place unique to New York (and Philadelphia) that no longer exists: the Automat.

A. Yes, I remember the 42nd St. branch quite well and liked going there often until they closed it.

Q. Sex seems to have gone out of fashion in novels these days...what made you want to bring it back? Was it to blend with the period you were writing about — the 60's and 70's — or are you just a fan of sexy novels?

A. It wasn't a conscious decision to 'bring it back'. I'm a sex researcher and have dealt with sex on a professional basis right from the start. I also enjoy sexy novels.

Q. Were there particular authors that inspired you? Especially in terms of the themes or writing style of your book?

A. The short answer is 'no' -- no special writer. I enjoy reading fiction and probably have been influenced by good writers in all different genres.

Q. Are you planning another novel? Any idea what you'd like to tackle this time?

A. Several ideas keep floating around in my mind. Nothing specific yet - but it might be a science fiction novel as I enjoy them quite a bit.

Q. I'm curious about how you invented the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid that you are so famous for. What was the process?

A. It was a culmination of talking to hundreds of bisexuals in the Bisexual Forum in New York where the question of sexual orientation and bisexuality kept coming up. It became obvious after a while that sexual orientation is more complicated than Kinsey's scale.

Q. I'm curious how you fit onto the grid?

A. My personal place would be considered that I am a Bi-Gay - closer to the gay side of bisexuality rather than the heterosexual end of the continuum.

Q. Now that we have started defining bisexual orientation a bit differently to accommodate attraction to transgender people...have you ever thought about modifying the grid to fit them in somehow?

A. Yes, it really doesn't work with transgender. At the time I developed it, people discussed bisexuality in terms of men and women. Adding attraction to transgender people is more recent. I don't know how to do it so I leave it to the next generation to figure it out how to fit it on there.

Q. It would probably have to be four dimensional for it to work.

A. Yes...four dimensions!

Q. Going back to the Bisexual Forum in New York in the 70's...how did that get started? Were you there from the beginning?

A. I began it in 1974 when I could not find information about bisexuality in the New York Public Library. I put an ad in the Village Voice and had bisexuals come to my place every week to discuss their own bisexuality as well as bisexuality in general.

Q. I had heard about the Forum but I didn't realize that you started the whole thing! What was it like?

A. We met weekly for discussion and it very quickly also turned into a support group. We had around 15 -20 people show up every week.

Q. That's exactly how bi groups work now! You could be describing BiRequest or any other bi group I've been to. You created the blueprint. What happened to the Bisexual Forum, though?

A. It continued under the leadership of Chuck M. for quite a number of years. When AIDS hit, it ended in 1982.

Q. What made you decide to leave New York? Did you go straight to California?

A. It was time for a change for me - I found New York too stressful and wanted better weather and a more laid back lifestyle. Found it in wonderful San Diego.

Q. So now that you are retired from Psychiatry...what's new in your life?

A. I changed to Life Coach and have a couple of clients. Also I continue to be editor of the Journal of Bisexuality as well as keep my two bisexual websites up-to-date: Bisexual.org and biMagazine.org. In addition, I'm very happy with Tom, my life partner of 4 years.

Q. What do you think is your legacy to the bi community? To the world?

A. I don't think along those lines. Leave it to historians to figure that out. I live in almost always "the now."


In Memoriam – Dr. Fritz Klein

Sheela Lambert is a veteran bi activist and writer living in New York City with her son and her dust collection. She is also the founder of the Bi Writers Association and organizer of Bialogue.

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